Kesha is treating pleasure as part of her comeback vocabulary, and she is not dressing it up for anyone’s comfort.

The 39-year-old American singer, who broke through in 2009 with Tik Tok, has largely kept her relationships out of the spotlight over the years. Lately, though, she has been much more direct about dating, sex and what freedom looks like after years of public and legal battles around her career.

On a recent episode of Call Her Daddy, host Alex Cooper asked Kesha about reclaiming her sexuality. Kesha called that process a “miracle”, then offered a detail Cooper did not appear to see coming: she masturbates to gratitude meditations.